In the last 10 years entities with a complex esthetic operativity emerged in the zones of dance and visual arts of Bucharest. Attempts of understanding them are mostly made by insiders, as is the case of this text. Apart from the necessity to grasp what are you part of, to figure these entities out, self-reflection functions as an engine that self-constitutes them. The entities expand in the direction in which they conceptualize themselves, they are shaping themselves through self-reflection. Self-conceptualization is an internal dynamic for substantiating an esthetic entity, but once a dynamic of self-referentiality is in place, this often extends to the outside. In Postspectacle, one of the esthetic entities, a constant practice is to introduce strange feedback loops, altering, expanding or breaking some of the implicit conditions at work in the respective situations. In the case of Kunsthalle Batiștei, another esthetic entity, a self-referential intervention is made in the basic layer of identity formation, in the correspondence between the name and the project. There is an operation of forced association with a group of institutional practices that enters in a strange relation with its own behaviors, producing some institutional fog around its identity.